Georg Holzel – Deputy Station Master at Zwierzyniec station in the Lublin District from 1 September 1941 till November 1942.
In your capacity as a railway employee, did you ever have to visit the stations at Belzec and Sobibor?
I was in Sobibor twice, I was frequently in Belzec. I estimate 5-
What were the names of the station masters at these places?
I know that in Sobibor it was Buckstegg who came from the Kleve area, I do not know his rank, he was in any case the station master. I cannot remember the name of the station master in Belzec. I remember especially about Buckstegg that he used the turn of phrase “Stupid pig,” he ended every telephone conversation with these words.
Did you have any point of contact with the SS-
In Belzec the SS-
I once saw how a transport train of Jews was shunted into the Belzec camp. It happened like this: that in the station area the engine was changed from the front to the rear of the train, and then shunted it into the camp. The engine was then uncoupled and eventually the camp was locked.
At this point the train personnel had to leave the station. Whether the trains were then handled exclusively by German personnel, I cannot say. To my knowledge, it happened that Polish personnel were used.
Did you know the engine drivers who drove the transport trains to Belzec?
As far as I know, the engine drivers of such trains came from various engine depots. I cannot name any names.
Who would know the name of the station master at Belzec?
I believe that the Obersektretar of the Reichsbahn Wittke, from Hamburg-
Do you know anything about the total number of transports to Belzec?
I know only from hearsay that in the critical time three transports a day rolled into Belzec. These trains also ran on Sundays.
Did you ever see such transports on the lines?
I remember such transports. I cannot give numbers. One experience made an impression on me. It was one Sunday afternoon about 1.30pm. A transport train of Jews was reported from Zawada.At our station in Zwierzyniec, engines took on water. This happened also with the above-
The girl’s father squeezed out of the wagon and on his knees begged the SS-
Which railway employees do you remember from your time in Poland?
I knew all the railway employees only today I can no longer name any names.
Did you know that the railway siding ended inside the Belzec camp?
That I did not know. In my opinion, the management of Belzec camp under Zwierzyniec. SS – Rottenführer Schutte belonged to this management. To my knowledge, he came from the area of Gelsenkirchen or Hamm.
Which members of the German railway management in Lublin are known to you?
I remember operations controller Diegelmann, also president von Bauer, then senior official Muller – now presumably with the Deutsche Bahn management in Cologne, he was our chief of personnel. In Herenfeld today live the railway officials Frtiz Scharrer and railway inspector Georg Holzel who spent several years in service at Hrubieszow.
Extracts from the interrogation of Georg Holzel on 10 January 1962.
Zentralle Stelle Ludwigsburg 208 AR-
Extracts from the interrogation of Georg Holzel on 10 January 1962. Zentralle Stelle Ludwigsburg 208 AR-
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